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4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 04:13 PM
Well it's started, here! I just read an article that in So CA someone threw an explosive device through a busy restaurant window. Sad. (minus OK City & 9/11, of course)

momckee
03-02-2017, 06:56 PM
That may be just a follow on from the rioting at Berkley University where they protested a Reitbart extreme right speaker from talking about his white extremism ideology. I don't believe these are foreign terrorists, however, I'll check the Internet to make sure. Very scary!

Dan M.
03-02-2017, 07:03 PM
What about Orlando and San Bernardino and Ft. Hood, etc.? It started a while back, not last night. And the Cheesecake Factory explosive device was basically a smoke bomb. It didn't explode and there were no injuries.

4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 08:39 PM
Yeah well I meant the attacks with what at the time sounded like a crude pipe bomb. Bomb bomb
That goes back a ways to Kazenski???


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4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 08:40 PM
Bomb not gun sorry should have clarified


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4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 08:41 PM
Boston comes to me mind!!!!!


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momckee
03-02-2017, 08:57 PM
I think some of these are home-grown terrorists, not necessarily ones who came into the country from foreign lands. Boston was definitely foreign though.

4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 10:46 PM
terrorists or just mean people? These folks having their demonstrations in the streets of the US are NOT there for a peaceful agenda. This is "I have nothing to do, I'm pissed, so I'll get with a few others & starts some sh*t. They are doing exactly what they accuse the RIGHT of being. On my end it's very ironic. There is a word for that. Mob like mentality .....oh what is it......

momckee
03-02-2017, 10:51 PM
Not wanting to argue 4A but Donald Trump is very unpopular except for his base who are relying on him to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US - he has made a lot of people angry including allies in other countries. So it's not unusual for people to get upset.

4AMNTN
03-02-2017, 11:02 PM
It's still an excuse to act out. What does that business that Car that stranger that FLAG have to do with your opinion. It's still YOUR opinion everything else is a crime.


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momckee
03-02-2017, 11:24 PM
4A If you are comfortable believing what you believe then so be it. I don't understand the Car and Flag comment, don't know what you mean?

4AMNTN
04-02-2017, 01:16 AM
Oh I mean simply that the objects to which people feel like they have to take their political views out on have nothing to do with getting your voice heard. Violence isn't the answer--yet most of these Trump protests turn that way. Yes a lot of protesters turn that way the longer they go on & into the night, etc but folks this is NOT the way.
Feel free to have your voice heard- although he has been elected-- little can come from this but anger. Hey I was there--8 years but I would NEVER act like that.


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momckee
04-02-2017, 02:04 AM
I agree, violence is never the answer.

Meg
08-02-2017, 02:21 PM
The word protest has now become riot. Whatever happened to protests like MLK, Ghandi, etc?

YB
08-02-2017, 04:17 PM
I think the protest organizers intend their marches to be peaceful but when word gets around the "undesirable" element are attracted and they enjoy violence and vandalism, whether or not they agree with the nature of the protest.

4AMNTN
08-02-2017, 04:33 PM
oh so true.

4AMNTN
10-03-2017, 03:06 AM
And the

Day without Women. Did we need it? Did we need women not showing up at work? If they weren't going seems like the reported cases- the few- didn't tell the boss. This is the argument OR stance? Now what does that say to you?
I think Everyday a woman is needed & this day was just an excused Hype to a people that have time to care & argue .... who has that time? I' m needed ... period. Nuff said.


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Meg
10-03-2017, 03:28 PM
Again with me being totally out of the loop, I hadn't heard about this. Like you 4A, I know I'm needed and appreciated.

4AMNTN
13-03-2017, 09:15 PM
Ahh just heard that this is women's history month. Don't care for that term OR black history month. How about HISTORY. Learn it -- learn from it!
I could get up on my soapbox all day about the way women have been treated throughout the years. Among others.
Oh well ...


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4AMNTN
16-03-2017, 04:41 PM
Not really a rant BUT ... the lines last night were brutal. We got in line WITH AN ISSUED TICKET NUMBER around 4:30. Oh! people had been there since dark the morning before. Anyway ... in an hour we moved less than a football field AND we STILL had about 8-10 more "fields" to go. Needless to say we DIDN'T GET IN. We walked in the door at home and he just came on TV. So we watched it there. ha! There was only ONE entry point.. guessing there was less than 4-6 people checking for security??? Too many people not enough security help. We know they turned down the TBI's offer for help. Duh ... it was a bad location for the total number of people. He should have had the Bridgestone Arena or Titans stadium!!! Maybe charged for tickets & then had a bigger venue. yep. And the BS about 1,000 protesters?? Nope. less than a handful total that we saw & we drove around the auditorium.

momckee
16-03-2017, 06:33 PM
Just a dumb question but it baffles me that Mr. Trump tells so many things that are hard to believe but this doesn't seem to bother his supporters, why? It was Trump you were going to see wasn't it? Really curious.

4AMNTN
16-03-2017, 08:38 PM
Yes. Ahhh, but the things he says that ARE true? and the things he's accomplished // or the have happened since the election? No one wants to acknowledge the good with the "bad".

4AMNTN
16-03-2017, 08:52 PM
I agree: If we don't start looking out for America (better) then when / if we have a real crisis ... WHO WILL BENEFIT from the Arts? people want to b & moan about NPR, PBS but they actually have a less than 0.0012 % of funding alotted or something crazy like that. We have expenditures for 800Million and they, the NEA, use 200??? What the hell do they do with the rest? And WHOA! the average income for the NEA???? 98k ! And back to the theatrical Arts does ANYONE remember how they suffered after 9/11? They, again the NEA get Federal, local & state PLUS, public & private funding. I think they'll be ok. Why don't these BIG SHOT that have benefitted from the ARTS all these years chip in MORE????
saw something on twitter about this that just really set me off, sorry.

momckee
16-03-2017, 09:00 PM
It will be interesting to see what Congress does with the budget.

4AMNTN
16-03-2017, 09:22 PM
Yes & Mo. I don't mean to come off so strong but I'm just embarrassed for/of the way that people treat the president it's a disgrace to the office.


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4AMNTN
27-03-2017, 02:51 PM
I haven't paid much attention to what was IN the healthcare plan-- but I would want to pay only for care that benefits me. No maternity no dental no glasses I don't want to pay for your Viagra and you shouldn't have to pay for my birth control etc. seems like in the 80s you could pick and choose what you wanted on your plan is that right?
Kinda like what I want to do with my TV plan[emoji2]


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momckee
27-03-2017, 05:16 PM
I think the idea of Health Insurance is that everyone pays and those that need it have access to it and those that don't help pay for those others. Don't forget 4A, many young people have no health problems but as you get older you may need more health care and older people who are healthy are still helping pay for those older people with health problems that way the risk is spread over everyone who participates in the plan. In Canada health care is universal, everyone pays a premium. No one knows what help they may need and if you limit what you want to pay for it may not cover something that strikes like cancer which may need long term care. That is my understanding anyway. The extreme right didn't want to pay for many things that were in the Affordable Care Act and some of the moderate Republicans were wanting some of these terms included in their Health Care Bill. I think if the moderate Dems and the moderate Republicans can get together they should be able to put together a Health Act which improves on Obamacare and everyone can get access to coverage. At least it would be nice if that could happen. One of the problems that I can see is that the extreme right Republicans simply wanted to repeal Obamacare without a replacement but Trump promised repeal and replace. It's really difficult to get everyone on the same page.

4AMNTN
17-08-2017, 03:14 PM
I've said it over & over ... Don't change our history - learn from it. It's a disgrace what's going on.

Meg
18-08-2017, 03:21 PM
It's breaking my heart what's happening in VA...not sure why/how someone could have so much hate